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J'Yan
04-04-2010, 10:25 AM
As some of you know I am an NRA Range master, and teach not only the CCW course for NC, but defensive weapons tactics to civilians and LEOs in Jacksonville.

Well I haven't had a class since I got back on Friday, but the wife and I did manage to pawn the kids off on a friend yesterday, and made it to the range for some quality time. All in all yesterday was a great day.


There was only one other person at the range other than myself and my lovely young bride. An offduty LEO practicing for range qual next week. He was actually shooting pretty well, and shouldn't have a problem qualing.

He is one that has not been through my advanced course. And we got to talking while we were all cleaning our pistols before packing up. It is my firm belief that the qualification course the local LEOs have does not prepare them for real life scenarios. He disagrees.

Their qual course consists of fifty rounds fired at ranges varying from 5 yards to 35 yards. All slow fire, no drawing from the holster, and no stress induced shooting. This is what his target looked like
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/LEOtarget.jpg

So I made a little bet with him. If he can out shoot me on my own course of fire, then I would provide his training ammo until his next qualification. If I win he has to attend my advanced course at half price.

Twenty five shots, from the holster after being stressed out.

What we did. He went first. We stepped outside, he ran in place for two minutes, did 12 eight count body builders, and 20 four count pushups. Then we ran back inside and started the course of fire. However, instead of shooting at a stationary target, he had to draw and fire failure to stop drills while the target was coming at him, at a rapid pace (the range has it set up so a pulley system moves the targets down range and back so you don't have to shut down the range to see how you did) with the targets starting out at fifteen yards.

On top of this, my wife stood directly behind him and was yelling wife stuff into his ear during the drills.

This is how his target looked after he finished firing.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/Target1.jpg
Not one single projectile hit the target.

He will be at my next course this coming week.

Linette Geraud
04-04-2010, 12:16 PM
Dang, your course definitely sounds like something quite a few officers need to take.

J'Yan
04-04-2010, 01:12 PM
Dang, your course definitely sounds like something quite a few officers need to take.
Thank you.

One thing I learned from a multitude of deployments to places like Iraq, Afghan, Africa Kosovo, etc, is functional accuracy all but vanishes when your life is in danger, and you are stressed.

I practice functional shooting often, and served with 2nd Force and MARSOC when I was in, Taught EMP, BUST, AUST, was a small arms instructor for a time, and went through every shooting package the Corps has to offer. My accuracy drops from near a hundred percent to around 75 80% when I am tired and stressed. Some studies have shown that normal LEOs suffer a 90% drop in accuracy at the standard engagement range of 10 yards in real life shoots. That means they are lucky to have one shot in ten hit their intended target inside minute of soccer ball.

What does this mean? It means that if you are legally authorized to carry a gun, and do carry, you need to become proficient in its use under harsh conditions.

Become proficient using flash sight and point shooting.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/training.jpg

Same conditions. But by someone who has become proficient under harsh conditions.

J'Yan
04-06-2010, 02:02 PM
Ok, so the wife and I went shooting the other day. Though we didnt go to the range. Just out in the woods. Trying out my new rifle.

Model 92 in .357 magnum.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/0_0-2.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/0_0-4.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/ffrrr.jpg

Not bad for a hundred and twenty yards with a lever action.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/NonTypical2004/0_0-5.jpg