Was TATV really that bad?

[Kaziarl]

TATV (Or These Are The Voyages... for those who don't use acronyms.) was the series finale of Enterprise. And everything I've heard about it since then is that it was an abomination, a terrible episode, a slap in the face to fandom.

Now personally, I liked it. It wasn't great, it wasn't terrible, and I didn't think it made a very good finale. Terra Nova was much better for that I think. But was it really that horrible?

Now one thing I think could have improved it, if they wanted to keep Frakes and Sirtis in the framing story, is have them be on the Titan. No offense to the two of them, but they simply don't look like their TNG:Pegasus selves.

They also should have had the bad guys be Romulans, it would have made a good lead in to the Earth-Romulan war I think.

What do you guys think?

[Ressi]

Agreed... though I've always maintained I could have done a much better job with the whole series if I had been in charge. Roddenberry wrote the timeline, all you had to do (BERMAN YOU TWAT!) was follow it.

Seasons 1-2: Zoomy zoomy around the Alpha Quadrant. Yay! Andorians! Yay! Rigellians! Yay! more Vulcans! Yay! Caitians (yes we'd have had an episode devoted to them)! Boo! Scary Klingons that want to eat me! Boo! Mean Romulans that want to rule the Universe! Boo! Andorians and Vulcans hate each other! See? Also, none of this Enterprise NX-01 crap. It's a Christopher-class ship and it's named anything BUT Enterprise. Very simple and lots of fun. At the end of season 2... "OH NOES! HERE COMEZ THE ROM-U-LINZ!"

Season 3: The Rigellians, Vulcans, Humans, Andorians, and that other group I can't remember are all sitting around going "OMG the Romulans are coming!". Instead of freaking out like a certain Binks named Jar-Jar, they realize they have to work together. So, the Federation is born in the Season 3 Premiere... zoomy zoomy zoom! The Earth-Romulan War kicks off with Earth and her Allies against the Romulans. This war is fought with NUCLEAR WEAPONS per Roddenberry's timeline.

Season 4: Oh noes! More war! Hoshi dies! Mayweather dies! The Captain shoves Phlox out an airlock because he's annoying as hell! There's great rejoicing! Fine, if there has to be a reason for killing Phlox then he can be a Romulan double agent... though he's hardly cool enough to be a spy. In short, throughout season 4 I'd kill off every character that I didn't like. Thanks to the War I have a convenient vehicle for doing that... except Phlox, he still gets explosively decompressed... I'm in charge of the plot those are my rules. Also, this allows us to pull in an Andorian officer (yay, the Weyoun Andorian, I forget his name but he replaces Mayweather), we also add a Rigelian to replace Hoshi and something (honestly, it could be a talking potato or Porthos the Beagle for all I care) to replace Phlox. This allows our crew to become more ethnically diverse and shows the strengthening of the Alliance against the Romulans. Season 4 ends with the Romulans being defeated... mostly because I think three seasons of a war would be too much and viewers would lose interest. Also, the ship is destroyed in the final climactic battle... oh noes! Cliffhanger!

Season 5: Yay! We win-did the war! There's a Neutral Zone now! Wee! The Klingons are impressed by our beatdown of the Romulans and they start pestering, but no actual war. Of course with the Neutral Zone in place our intrepid Aliens and Humans realize "Aww man, we have to keep working together" and the Alliance for the War becomes a permanent fixture... you know, like NATO. For the first 3-5 episodes of the season the intrepid crew are all on Earth. Here's where we start to see the Humans First groups springing up... and in an ironic twist sometimes they happen to work with the Andorians First, Rigelians First, etc. groups. The show starts to draw occasional parallels to the War on Terror. There are occasional run-ins with the Romulans and Klingons. Shield and Photon Torpedo technology are developed... and the transporters. All this new technology, which wasn't out quite in time for the war is incorporated into our new ship! Yay! Which is of the Daedalus class! Yes, I know... I think they're ugly as sin too.

Season 6: With the Federation firmly up and running there are still occasional run ins with the bigot groups and more exploration... we go find Trill, Betazoids, etc.

Seasons ad infinum: Rinse and repeat until people stop watching or until I come up with better ideas.

See? I fixed it. No idiotic Temporal Cold War. None of this stupidity with the Xindi, Suliban, and Your Mom. A much better series that the die hards would have followed a lot more (I gave up on Enterprise), that actually finished off storylines (BERMAN YOU TWAT!), and that casual fans could have actually used as a springboard into TOS, TNG, DS9, and that other lesser spinoff.

[Kaziarl]

Um... I sense flying objects in my future... but I liked Enterprise. I liked the Temporal Cold War (although I do wish it was more then a glorified reset button for the most part.) I liked the Xindi and the Expanse. The Suliban were little more then 22nd century taliban (notice the similarity in name). But the lead suliban was a great villian I thought. And although we never find out for sure, I swear Future Guy (as he's often called) was a Romulan. Either that or Archer setting everything up as some sort of predestined temporal loop so he can get back after Daniels got him trapped in the future. (there's a head scratcher)